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						<title>Top 10 Fighter Aircraft [by: dododas]</title>
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						<description><![CDATA[again, this is not my list.<br /><br />as w/ the naval list i posted yesterday, this list is the product of a similar program on The Military Channel where there are 5 different variables taken into account. audience polls, aviation architects, and aviation historians apparently all weighed in on the matter.<br /><br />iirc, the criteria for the list was as follows:<br />- fear factor<br />- fire power<br />- kill ratio<br />- innovation<br />- service length ]]></description>
						<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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						<title>Top 10 Fighter Aircraft [by: kingraptor1 (kingraptor1)]</title>
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						<description><![CDATA[10.F-86 sabre<br />9.P-51 mustang<br />8.F6F hellcat<br />7.F-4 phantom<br />6.Saab gripen<br />5.Su-27<br />4.F-105 thunder chief<br />3.F-8 crusader<br />2.F-22 raptor<br />1.F-15 eagle]]></description>
						<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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						<title>Top 10 Fighter Aircraft [by: danewagner76]</title>
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						<description><![CDATA[Mine Are...<br /><br />10. Tornado<br />9. F-14 Tomcat<br />8. F-117 <br />7. P-38 Lightning<br />6. MiG-17<br />5. F-105 Thundercheif<br />4. F-22 Raptor<br />3. F-15 Eagle<br />2. MiG-29<br />1. F-16 Fighting Falcon]]></description>
						<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 13:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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						<title>Top 10 Fighter Aircraft [by: djhikki (djhikki)]</title>
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						<description><![CDATA[10. F-104 Starfighter<br />9. F-14 Tomcat<br />8. Spitfire<br />7. MiG-31<br />6. F-15 Eagle<br />5. F/A-18 Super Hornet<br />4. F-111 Ardvark<br />3. Su-47 Berkut<br />2. Eurofighter Typhoon<br />1. F-22 Raptor]]></description>
						<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 22:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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						<title>To MiG-21 operators ... [by: michael82]</title>
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						<description><![CDATA[I saw interesting reading concerning unexploited MiG-21 maneuvering capabilities, things in line with AirForceSystemsCommand reports... It seems that it has nice "point and shoot" ability...<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Fighter-Performance-in-Practice-Phantom-versus-MIG-21_W0QQitemZ290408584237QQcategoryZ2228QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDLSL%252BSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D10%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8204568315377303774" class="usrwhite" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/Fighter-Performance-in-Practice-Phantom-versus-MIG-21_W0QQitemZ290408584237QQcategoryZ2228QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDLSL%252BSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D10%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8204568315377303774</a>]]></description>
						<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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						<title>The Y in YF-22 [by: firstsgt_cap]</title>
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						<description><![CDATA[<div style='border: 1px solid; background-color: #ccf; color: #007; padding: 5px; margin-left: 10px;'><b>Jetwhiz wrote: </b> <a href='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/toolkit.pl?type=goToMsg&amp;msgid=2333'><img src='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/icons/viewpost.png' alt='View Post #2333' title='View Post #2333' style='border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;' /></a><br /><div style='font-style: italic;'><div style='border: 1px solid; background-color: #ccf; color: #007; padding: 5px; margin-left: 10px;'><b>Firstsgt_cap wrote: </b> <a href='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/toolkit.pl?type=goToMsg&amp;msgid=2332'><img src='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/icons/viewpost.png' alt='View Post #2332' title='View Post #2332' style='border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;' /></a><br /><div style='font-style: italic;'>The X- designation can mean a number of things, it generally stands for experimental, however an aircraft with the X- designation can still become a production aircraft without officially having a YF-, YB-, etc designation. </div></div><br />Very true, there are no requirements to have official aircraft status designations start at X and then Y before going to production; there were no official XF-22 aircraft released before the prototype was shown to the USAF. <br /><br />There are two different meanings to 'X' in an aircraft designation:<br /><ul style='margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;'><li>the <span style='font-weight: bold;'><span style='font-style: italic;'>basic mission</span></span> can be experimental (such as the X-1, X-15, etc.)</li><li>the <span style='font-weight: bold;'><span style='font-style: italic;'>status</span></span> of an aircraft can be experimental (like the XF-11 and XF-89)</li></ul><br />The X-35 has a <span style='font-weight: bold;'><span style='font-style: italic;'>basic mission</span></span> of experimental (not fighter) ... it was an experimental aircraft (not a fighter with experimental status).  If it were a fighter with experimental status then it would have been the XF-35.  In that sense, there were no XF-35 and YF-35 aircraft made -- just a fully experimental aircraft that led to a production aircraft.  <br /> <hr /> ~JetWhiz  &amp;lt;8)<br /><br />Sunday, October 04, 2009 -- 6:25:41 PM PDT</div></div><br />True, the clarify on the <span style='font-weight: bold;'>basic mission</span> portion of the 'X' designation. Just because it does not have another designation 'F' for instance, does not mean it was not designed for a more specific purpose. Generally, in cases that lack that 'F' or any other secondary designation the aircraft's fate is still undecided. In the X-35's case, it may have been beat by the X-32, leaving it an 'X' and sending it to the bone yard or a museum. Where as, it won the competition and became the F-35.<br /><br />Also, please understand that this is all based off of the previously mentioned Tri-Service Aircraft Designation System, which was introduced in 1962. That being said, there have been a number of instances where the system was changed and/or disregarded when naming aircraft.]]></description>
						<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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						<title>The Y in YF-22 [by: jetwhiz]</title>
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						<description><![CDATA[<div style='border: 1px solid; background-color: #ccf; color: #007; padding: 5px; margin-left: 10px;'><b>Firstsgt_cap wrote: </b> <a href='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/toolkit.pl?type=goToMsg&amp;msgid=2332'><img src='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/icons/viewpost.png' alt='View Post #2332' title='View Post #2332' style='border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;' /></a><br /><div style='font-style: italic;'>The X- designation can mean a number of things, it generally stands for experimental, however an aircraft with the X- designation can still become a production aircraft without officially having a YF-, YB-, etc designation. </div></div><br />Very true, there are no requirements to have official aircraft status designations start at X and then Y before going to production; there were no official XF-22 aircraft released before the prototype was shown to the USAF. <br /><br />There are two different meanings to 'X' in an aircraft designation:<br /><ul style='margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;'><li>the <span style='font-weight: bold;'><span style='font-style: italic;'>basic mission</span></span> can be experimental (such as the X-1, X-15, etc.)</li><li>the <span style='font-weight: bold;'><span style='font-style: italic;'>status</span></span> of an aircraft can be experimental (like the XF-11 and XF-89)</li></ul><br />The X-35 has a <span style='font-weight: bold;'><span style='font-style: italic;'>basic mission</span></span> of experimental (not fighter) ... it was an experimental aircraft (not a fighter with experimental status).  If it were a fighter with experimental status then it would have been the XF-35.  In that sense, there were no XF-35 and YF-35 aircraft made -- just a fully experimental aircraft that led to a production aircraft.  <br /> <hr /> ~JetWhiz  <img src='http://www.globalaircraft.org/photos/jester.GIF' alt='jester' title='&amp;lt;8)' /><br /><br />Saturday, October 03, 2009 -- 3:56:01 PM PDT]]></description>
						<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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						<title>The Y in YF-22 [by: firstsgt_cap]</title>
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						<description><![CDATA[The X- designation can mean a number of things, it generally stands for experimental, however an aircraft with the X- designation can still become a production aircraft without officially having a YF-, YB-, etc designation. Take the X-32 and X-35 for instance. The X-35 after winning the contract essentially went straight to the F-35 designation. However, the F-22, was the YF-22 prior to becoming the F/A-22.<br /><br />The actual designation meanings are:<br />X - Experimental<br />Y - Prototype]]></description>
						<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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						<title>The Y in YF-22 [by: jetwhiz]</title>
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						<description><![CDATA[<div style='border: 1px solid; background-color: #ccf; color: #007; padding: 5px; margin-left: 10px;'><b>F6hellcat wrote: </b> <a href='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/toolkit.pl?type=goToMsg&amp;msgid=2326'><img src='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/icons/viewpost.png' alt='View Post #2326' title='View Post #2326' style='border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;' /></a><br /><div style='font-style: italic;'><div style='border: 1px solid; background-color: #ccf; color: #007; padding: 5px; margin-left: 10px;'><b>F22_raptor wrote: </b> <a href='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/toolkit.pl?type=goToMsg&amp;msgid=2325'><img src='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/icons/viewpost.png' alt='View Post #2325' title='View Post #2325' style='border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;' /></a><br /><div style='font-style: italic;'>no x means that</div></div><br />actually there is a difference. X is actually pointing towards an experimental aircraft. not necessarily a combat aircraft (in fact i can only think of a few instances where that happened. that was the JSF) Y is actually used for Young (i think) Fighter. so you get Young Fighter 22. this is used when the aircraft is competing for a contract like with the YF-16 and YF-17. or in this case, the YF-22, and YF-23. as soon as whichever aircraft is decided the winner, the Y is dropped and you just get F-22. </div></div><br />That's correct, but Y can be used to designate any aircraft whose status is a prototype (not just fighters).  When we're talking about X in terms of an aircraft's status it is referring to designs thrown together for experimental testing (such as testing if a conceptual airframe actually works as expected).  The Y status designation, however, addresses aircraft that are nearly ready for production (they are prototypes for the production release).  Typically you build experimental models (sometimes many of them) before actually building a prototype.   <hr /> ~JetWhiz  <img src='http://www.globalaircraft.org/photos/jester.GIF' alt='jester' title='&amp;lt;8)' /><br /><br />Wednesday, September 30, 2009 -- 6:49:35 PM PDT]]></description>
						<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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						<title>The Y in YF-22 [by: f6hellcat]</title>
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						<description><![CDATA[<div style='border: 1px solid; background-color: #ccf; color: #007; padding: 5px; margin-left: 10px;'><b>F22_raptor wrote: </b> <a href='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/toolkit.pl?type=goToMsg&amp;msgid=2325'><img src='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/icons/viewpost.png' alt='View Post #2325' title='View Post #2325' style='border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;' /></a><br /><div style='font-style: italic;'><div style='border: 1px solid; background-color: #ccf; color: #007; padding: 5px; margin-left: 10px;'><b>Jetwhiz wrote: </b> <a href='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/toolkit.pl?type=goToMsg&amp;msgid=2298'><img src='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/icons/viewpost.png' alt='View Post #2298' title='View Post #2298' style='border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;' /></a><br /><div style='font-style: italic;'><div style='border: 1px solid; background-color: #ccf; color: #007; padding: 5px; margin-left: 10px;'><b>Python357 wrote: </b> <a href='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/toolkit.pl?type=goToMsg&amp;msgid=2296'><img src='http://forum.globalaircraft.org/icons/viewpost.png' alt='View Post #2296' title='View Post #2296' style='border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;' /></a><br /><div style='font-style: italic;'>Hi Everyone. I have a question that I have always wondered since I have been intrested in aircraft. In the names of some aircraft there is a Y in front of the F. For example: The YF-22 Raptor. Can someone tell me what the Y stands for? Thanks everyone </div></div> The 'Y' denotes that the aircraft has a Prototype status. You can see a list of all possible letter codes involved in the US Tri-Service system on our <a href="http://www.globalaircraft.org/definitions.htm" class="usrwhite" target="_blank">definitions page</a> <hr /> ~JetWhiz &amp;lt;8) Wednesday, September 30, 2009 -- 4:22:38 PM PDT</div></div>no x means that</div></div><br />actually there is a difference. X is actually pointing towards an experimental aircraft. not necessarily a combat aircraft (in fact i can only think of a few instances where that happened. that was the JSF) Y is actually used for Young (i think) Fighter. so you get Young Fighter 22. this is used when the aircraft is competing for a contract like with the YF-16 and YF-17. or in this case, the YF-22, and YF-23. as soon as whichever aircraft is decided the winner, the Y is dropped and you just get F-22. ]]></description>
						<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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