aaronrb. I'm going to have to agree with you completly. The F/A-22 Raptor and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter are suited for different roles. But, I am going to have to disagree with you on the idea of rating the IAF at the top. The IAF may have had a good record in many conflicts in the past but you have to consider that most of time the IAF were flying American aircraft such as F-4 Phantoms all the way up to F-15 Strike Eagles. All of these aircraft were far more superior than their enemy's aircraft. i.e, MiG 21s and Su-24s.

I believe that that U.S. owns the skies right now and will for years to come. After years of watching military strengths and weaknesses, I've noticed the U.S. has a military power foothold at the top of the chain, and Russia just can't quite pull us down. Our military hardware has surpassed other oppossing counries' for decades, for example look at the F-14 Tomcat, it's been around since it's prototypes in the 60's as the best air superiority fighter in the world- and they're still a half decent competetor for 'today's' fighters(concidering it's heavy weight). The F-22 'top rated modern' fighter actually was in it's early stages in the 80's. I'm aware that today there are combat worthy aircraft being produced by the U.S. that there are so much greater than any F-22 or Su-37 - beyond the prototype stages too in places like Area 51(the alien stuff is nothin but crap- they're just working on aircraft and technology prototypes). Same thing with our tanks, the M-1 Abrams has been around in it's prototypes since the late 70's and early 80's with lazer nanochips the size of an eye lash, and they still can trash Russia's new tanks before they even knew they were there. Newer, even more advanced versions are still being produced under-wraps. It's almost scary to think what the U.S. is developing this very moment. For those people that think their country beat somebody else's in an air-superiority competition, I've never seen any of our true top aces enter these competitions. I don't think Russia is sending out their best pilots or aircraft either. (O yeah, don't compare the F-22 and the F-35 for they are built for entirely different purposes- so many people do this)

I know and admit that certain people in charge of the money here are getting a little too happy with their spending, but it's not my fault, or the U.S. as a whole. There are just some people (especially politics that don't know jack crap) in congress and the military that shouldn't be there. Personally I encourage war with inferior countries with their little cheap toys that think they can actually take us on, because wars send our economy through the roof, our guys come back proud, and these countries usually learn their lesson.

O yeah, and that 'pen the U.S. spent $2 million on to work in space' is a crock of bull s%&t - even a nard would realize thats just retarted. I can make this ball-point pen here sitting in front of me use hydraulic pressure to work in space, stencil your name on it with different designs and effects in 10 minutes, sell it for 5 bucks and still make a huge profit. (And maybe for a few extra bucks I'll throw in a digital harmonic stabilizing regulator, and posibly a flux capacitor with a hyper dimentional storage case, and a....-just to let some people know, this sentence was sarcastic) $2 MILLION MY &*#.

ghost_lead, in fact the in Korean war most U.S. pilots had a superior kill rate- even a number of rookies due to how advanced our jets where compared to the MiGs and Sus. To avoid sticking your foot in your mouth even more you should stop posting on here and get back to your homework. I'll do the same. I'd leave this board for people like aaronrb204.

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War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
War is something that I despise
For it means destruction of innocent lives
For it means tears in thousands of mothers' eyes
When their sons go out to fight to give their lives

War
It's nothing but a heartbreaker
War
Friend only to the undertaker
War is the enemy of all mankind
The thought of war blows my mind
Handed down from generation to generation
Induction destruction
Who wants to die


War has shattered many young men's dreams
Made them disabled bitter and meanLife is too precious to be fighting wars
each day
War can't give life it can only take it away


Friend only to the undertaker
Peace love and understanding
There must be some place for these things today
They say we must fight to keep our freedom
But Lord there's gotta be a better way
That's better than
War

That may seem nice and all, but it all comes down to the fact that alot of people hate your way, want to destroy you, and/or want to take you over. They won't stop until you or they themselves are dead, there's no reasoning with them. Your only options are to fight back or be defeated. In my own opinion, they brought it upon themselves - KILL, KILL, KILL WITHOUT MERCY until all the &*#%@$& are dead.

you have to be very careful to note the difference between the su37 and the s37. the former is an su27 variant while the latter is the fsw plane. there are also no current plans to put it into squadron service.

and nasa did spend an inordinate amount of money on that pen. personally i would have just used a china marker. but you can't get a good point on those so a normal pencil might have done just fine. but then you have to be careful about the shavings from when you sharpen it.

the mig21 in capable hands was often more than an f4 pilot could handle. i saw some great footage from vietnam in which one of each kept trying to get position on each other. the mig was much more maneuverable than the other plane but was unable to get out of the scissors moves of the other pilot. eventually the f4 broke off and lit afterburner to gain some range and launched an aim7 sparrow. the missile hit but did not cause fatal damage--only taking off part of the wing. with the footage it was deemed that the missile did not malfunction in any way but that the mig21 was a solidly built aircraft and the enemy pilot extremely well trained.

here is a good analogy. comparing the f22 to the f35 is like comparing the m1 abrams to the stryker.

yep ido agree with the subject of the discussion and us doesnt has the worst airforce in the world (man compare it with some crappy airforce )
but you have to agree that russian planes have that edge compared to simmilar us modal in terms of cost and performance like for example compare su 37 thrust vector incorporated and f-22 agreed that f-22 has better equipments but in terms of cost and manuevarability su 37 scores

I would`nt say the manuverability of the Su-37 is better, I saw a documentary of the F/A-22 Raptor and it actually could spin while going down and shoot a missle during the process in which it 'Killed' the enemy drone.
But otherwise the manuverability part both are very good.

u cant say USA has the worst airforce in the world if u compare it to othe airforces e.g. the iraq if they have an airforce still, its probaly just a cessna 150 with a m60 straped to the side of it and they have to throw cherry bombs out the window woooo brings a new meanin to carpet bombin, its all got to do with the technoledgy my thorts are the less technoledgy in the aircraft the better the pilot is

that's right. apart from stopping the spread of communism, fascism and stopping multiple human rights abusing dictators throughout the world, war has done absolutely nothing for us

That's where you wrong. If U.S wount try to stop that ,it would came to U.S. Soviets for example tried to spread communism through out the world. Imagine that communists would take over U.S and soon whole world became under communism rule. Or facism, for example imagine if U.S was neutrla in WW2 , it would be a possibility that Japanese and Germans would win the war and conquer the world.